1 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:11,020 foreign 2 00:00:33,889 --> 00:00:16,310 [Music] 3 00:00:37,970 --> 00:00:33,899 James W Mosley considers a UFO crash 4 00:00:40,430 --> 00:00:37,980 story in 1955 by Charles Lear James W 5 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:40,440 Mosley was part of the UFO scene from 6 00:00:44,510 --> 00:00:41,879 the days of the first private 7 00:00:47,690 --> 00:00:44,520 investigators in the early 1950s up 8 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:47,700 until his death in 2012. he ran the 9 00:00:51,830 --> 00:00:49,860 longest running saucer group The saucer 10 00:00:54,590 --> 00:00:51,840 and unexplained celestial events 11 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:54,600 research Society or saucers he and the 12 00:00:58,069 --> 00:00:56,160 group picked the acronym before they 13 00:00:59,869 --> 00:00:58,079 figured out what it could stand for and 14 00:01:02,270 --> 00:00:59,879 steadily published a newsletter known 15 00:01:04,490 --> 00:01:02,280 for most of its existence as saucer 16 00:01:07,070 --> 00:01:04,500 smear Mosley has been called the court 17 00:01:09,050 --> 00:01:07,080 jester of equality due to his habit of 18 00:01:11,510 --> 00:01:09,060 poking fun at those who took themselves 19 00:01:13,850 --> 00:01:11,520 in the subject too seriously and was 20 00:01:15,649 --> 00:01:13,860 involved in some hoses slash pranks with 21 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:15,659 his friend gray Barker that became 22 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:18,119 Infamous he wrote a book with Carl flock 23 00:01:23,630 --> 00:01:20,640 about his exploits and saucerdom that 24 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:23,640 was published in 2002 titled shockingly 25 00:01:28,490 --> 00:01:25,920 close to the truth Confessions of a 26 00:01:31,310 --> 00:01:28,500 grave-robbing ufologist in spite of his 27 00:01:33,289 --> 00:01:31,320 less than serious nature he did do some 28 00:01:36,170 --> 00:01:33,299 serious investigation in his early days 29 00:01:38,210 --> 00:01:36,180 and in one instance looked into a saucer 30 00:01:40,130 --> 00:01:38,220 crash story and wrote an article about 31 00:01:43,609 --> 00:01:40,140 it that was published in the January 32 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:43,619 1955 issue of gray Barker's magazine the 33 00:01:48,350 --> 00:01:46,200 saucerium while Mosley came across the 34 00:01:50,330 --> 00:01:48,360 story only a few years after the news 35 00:01:52,670 --> 00:01:50,340 came out that the Army had recovered a 36 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:52,680 disc at Roswell that story went away 37 00:01:56,569 --> 00:01:54,600 after it was announced to the press that 38 00:01:58,969 --> 00:01:56,579 it was a weather balloon and only came 39 00:02:01,330 --> 00:01:58,979 to the attention of ufologists in the 40 00:02:04,010 --> 00:02:01,340 late 1970s after Stanton Friedman 41 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:04,020 resurrected it the crash toy that caught 42 00:02:08,930 --> 00:02:06,360 everyone's attention back in the 1950s 43 00:02:11,930 --> 00:02:08,940 was the alleged crash in Aztec New 44 00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:11,940 Mexico as recounted in the 1950 book by 45 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:14,400 Frank Scully behind the flying saucers 46 00:02:19,970 --> 00:02:17,160 while that story was discredited in the 47 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:19,980 article by J.P Khan the flying saucers 48 00:02:25,369 --> 00:02:22,080 and the Mysterious little men in the 49 00:02:27,650 --> 00:02:25,379 September 1952 issue of true magazine he 50 00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:27,660 got rumors circulating that the U.S 51 00:02:32,030 --> 00:02:29,700 government had saucers and alien bodies 52 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:32,040 in its possession that it wasn't telling 53 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:33,900 the public about and this story is 54 00:02:38,809 --> 00:02:36,300 possibly a product of that the headline 55 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:38,819 of Mosley's article reads who's lying 56 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:41,340 the right field story according to 57 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:43,560 mostly he received a letter in April 58 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:46,500 1954 in which the writer offered the 59 00:02:51,589 --> 00:02:48,720 opinion that the U.S Air Force was 60 00:02:54,050 --> 00:02:51,599 holding a saucer or parts thereof at 61 00:02:56,089 --> 00:02:54,060 bright Patterson field according to the 62 00:02:58,190 --> 00:02:56,099 writer his opinion was based mainly on 63 00:03:00,050 --> 00:02:58,200 the testimony of a woman who said she 64 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:00,060 was a whack at right field in the fall 65 00:03:05,089 --> 00:03:03,060 of 1952 during a red and white alert 66 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:05,099 which is issued when a base is under 67 00:03:10,729 --> 00:03:07,680 threat of aerial attack which in this 68 00:03:13,070 --> 00:03:10,739 instance lasted two weeks according to 69 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:13,080 the writer the woman learned that a 70 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:15,120 saucer had been brought to write and she 71 00:03:20,270 --> 00:03:17,640 saw a photo of it the alert was out of 72 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:20,280 fear that the captured saucer had sent a 73 00:03:24,410 --> 00:03:22,319 transmission and that there would be an 74 00:03:25,790 --> 00:03:24,420 attack the writer wasn't sure but 75 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:25,800 thought the saucer might have been 76 00:03:30,890 --> 00:03:28,319 recovered near Columbus Ohio Mosley 77 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:30,900 wrote that he'd been making an intensive 78 00:03:35,449 --> 00:03:33,120 investigation of saucers for almost a 79 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:35,459 year when he got the letter and had come 80 00:03:40,309 --> 00:03:38,040 across rumors some Stranger Than This 81 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:40,319 One concerning captured saucers with 82 00:03:45,289 --> 00:03:42,720 little men from outer space found in 83 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,299 them other rumors that Mosley includes 84 00:03:50,509 --> 00:03:47,760 are that an anthropology Professor from 85 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:50,519 Colombia went to examine the bodies that 86 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:52,799 a man in Florida talked to a man who 87 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:54,780 knew of a man who drove an army truck 88 00:03:59,570 --> 00:03:56,879 carrying a saucer that had crashed 89 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:59,580 inside a nearby military base and that a 90 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:01,980 doctor had examined little men in a New 91 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:04,260 York City Funeral Parlor according to 92 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:06,720 Mosley the rumors were uncheckable or 93 00:04:11,690 --> 00:04:09,120 without evidence or were outright hoaxes 94 00:04:14,030 --> 00:04:11,700 he attributed such tales as coming from 95 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:14,040 scully's book and tells the reader that 96 00:04:18,469 --> 00:04:16,320 after the true magazine article as of 97 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:18,479 April that year he was of the opinion 98 00:04:22,909 --> 00:04:20,760 that the US government had no material 99 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:22,919 evidence of the existence of saucers 100 00:04:27,290 --> 00:04:25,020 although the letter about the woman at 101 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:27,300 right field didn't impress him much he 102 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:29,340 visited the letter writer whom he refers 103 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:32,880 to as Mr X had his house and heard a 104 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:35,759 tape of the woman referred to as Miss y 105 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:38,460 telling her story according to Mosley 106 00:04:42,770 --> 00:04:40,740 her sincerity impressed him and he 107 00:04:45,490 --> 00:04:42,780 decided that here at last was something 108 00:04:47,930 --> 00:04:45,500 concrete concerning captured saucers 109 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:47,940 Mosley wrote that he managed to locate 110 00:04:53,330 --> 00:04:50,580 Miss y with only her first name and 111 00:04:54,830 --> 00:04:53,340 three or four other facts about her and 112 00:04:57,230 --> 00:04:54,840 that that story would make an 113 00:04:59,090 --> 00:04:57,240 interesting article in itself he 114 00:05:01,490 --> 00:04:59,100 interviewed her and got her story as 115 00:05:03,050 --> 00:05:01,500 opposed to Mr X's version of it and 116 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:03,060 discovered she did not work at 117 00:05:08,450 --> 00:05:05,639 Wright-Patterson but at another base in 118 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:08,460 the region she was not a whack but was a 119 00:05:13,249 --> 00:05:10,380 civilian signal Corps employee working 120 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:13,259 for the Army and the FBI and worked the 121 00:05:16,969 --> 00:05:15,060 night shift at a teletype handling 122 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:16,979 messages in a variety of classified 123 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:19,860 material Mosley then presents Miss Wise 124 00:05:25,070 --> 00:05:22,860 story according to him she walked into a 125 00:05:28,249 --> 00:05:25,080 photo lab run by an army photographer 126 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:28,259 referred to as Mr Z who was developing 127 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:30,960 prints around a dozen of tour of a 128 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:33,300 saucer Mosley then presents Miss Wise 129 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:36,360 story according to him she walked into a 130 00:05:41,930 --> 00:05:38,520 photo lab run by an army photographer 131 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:41,940 referred to as Mr Z who was developing 132 00:05:47,629 --> 00:05:44,400 Prince around a dozen of which were of a 133 00:05:49,189 --> 00:05:47,639 saucer Mr Z showed her the photos and 134 00:05:51,650 --> 00:05:49,199 said he'd taken them during a special 135 00:05:54,409 --> 00:05:51,660 assignment to photograph a saucer that 136 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:54,419 had crashed to the north of the base a 137 00:05:59,150 --> 00:05:56,820 few days later messages came through her 138 00:06:01,249 --> 00:05:59,160 station saying that the saucer was being 139 00:06:04,129 --> 00:06:01,259 taken through the base under heavy guard 140 00:06:05,390 --> 00:06:04,139 on the way to Wright-Patterson she said 141 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:05,400 that she and others in the 142 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:07,740 communications building were informed of 143 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:10,080 the red and white alert at this time two 144 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:12,180 weeks later the alert was ended after 145 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:14,880 those who examined the saucer determined 146 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:17,340 there was no threat Miss Y and a handful 147 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:19,680 of others were among the few who were 148 00:06:24,710 --> 00:06:21,840 aware of the threat let alone the reason 149 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:24,720 Miss y described the saucer she said she 150 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:27,840 saw in the photos as 30 feet in diameter 151 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:30,720 she said it seemed to be made of metal 152 00:06:35,570 --> 00:06:33,360 that were riveted together there were no 153 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:35,580 windows visible but she heard there were 154 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:38,220 Windows made of one-way glass that 155 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:40,500 couldn't be seen from the outside she 156 00:06:44,930 --> 00:06:42,780 said that government scientists had a 157 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:44,940 hard time getting into the saucer and 158 00:06:50,270 --> 00:06:47,039 that it was made of in Mosley's words 159 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:50,280 one or more allies not found on this 160 00:06:54,710 --> 00:06:52,319 planet there are no creatures found in 161 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:54,720 this saucer but she'd heard there were 162 00:06:59,510 --> 00:06:57,240 five foot tall humanoids found in others 163 00:07:01,550 --> 00:06:59,520 Mosley wrote that he was convinced that 164 00:07:03,650 --> 00:07:01,560 Miss y was telling the truth about her 165 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:03,660 job but he would need three or four 166 00:07:08,090 --> 00:07:06,060 similar accounts to believe that the U.S 167 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:08,100 government had recovered saucers and 168 00:07:13,550 --> 00:07:10,800 little men he asked Miss Y for the name 169 00:07:15,290 --> 00:07:13,560 of Mr Z and she reluctantly gave it to 170 00:07:17,510 --> 00:07:15,300 him but said that he wouldn't talk 171 00:07:19,909 --> 00:07:17,520 because he was still on active duty 172 00:07:22,189 --> 00:07:19,919 according to Mosley after a couple of 173 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:22,199 weeks he talked with Mr Z in the 174 00:07:26,450 --> 00:07:24,240 communications building and he denied 175 00:07:29,270 --> 00:07:26,460 taking pictures of or having any 176 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:29,280 knowledge of flying saucers mostly 177 00:07:33,770 --> 00:07:31,380 talked with him alone and in the 178 00:07:35,870 --> 00:07:33,780 presence of a superior officer the men 179 00:07:38,450 --> 00:07:35,880 told him that Miss White did work at the 180 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:38,460 teletype but didn't handle highly secret 181 00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:41,520 messages except when they were coded and 182 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:43,500 decoding them was not part of her duties 183 00:07:47,689 --> 00:07:46,080 they said that Miss y was upstanding and 184 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:47,699 efficient and they couldn't understand 185 00:07:53,150 --> 00:07:50,880 why she would lie about the saucer from 186 00:07:55,010 --> 00:07:53,160 here on Mosley grapples with a dilemma 187 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:55,020 that has been with ufology from its 188 00:07:59,570 --> 00:07:57,360 earliest days and that is trying to 189 00:08:02,629 --> 00:07:59,580 figure out who's lying and who's not 190 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:02,639 according to him Miss y told him that 191 00:08:05,749 --> 00:08:04,080 the government doesn't have all the 192 00:08:08,629 --> 00:08:05,759 answers and that they hold back 193 00:08:10,850 --> 00:08:08,639 information to avoid public panic in 194 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:10,860 this light it made sense to him that Mr 195 00:08:16,490 --> 00:08:13,500 Z in a superior wouldn't confirm Miss 196 00:08:18,589 --> 00:08:16,500 Wise story he speculates at length on 197 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:18,599 what the government might know and 198 00:08:22,969 --> 00:08:20,580 considers the idea that many people 199 00:08:24,890 --> 00:08:22,979 might have pieces of the puzzle but only 200 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:24,900 a few at the highest levels have the 201 00:08:29,210 --> 00:08:26,879 whole picture he wonders when the public 202 00:08:31,610 --> 00:08:29,220 will be told and makes a case for 203 00:08:34,250 --> 00:08:31,620 disclosure Mosley then does something 204 00:08:36,769 --> 00:08:34,260 rare among the saucerologists of his day 205 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:36,779 and those to come and considers the 206 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:39,000 possibility that Miss y could be lying 207 00:08:44,209 --> 00:08:41,760 he imagined that she didn't think that 208 00:08:45,889 --> 00:08:44,219 Mr X would tell someone like him who 209 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:45,899 would actually go out to the base and 210 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:48,360 investigate and that her tall tale to Mr 211 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:51,240 ax had now gotten out of hand according 212 00:08:56,630 --> 00:08:54,480 to Mosley Mr Z and his Superior were not 213 00:08:58,910 --> 00:08:56,640 pleased with her account and he felt 214 00:09:02,030 --> 00:08:58,920 that she might be reprimanded according 215 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:02,040 to Mosley if Miss y was lying or not 216 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:04,680 lying Army officials would be compelled 217 00:09:10,670 --> 00:09:07,560 to deny her story either way he ends 218 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:10,680 with this who's lying I wish I knew 219 00:09:16,370 --> 00:09:13,800 Charles Lear is the author of The Flying 220 00:09:28,580 --> 00:09:16,380 Saucer investigators available at 221 00:09:28,590 --> 00:09:33,769 [Music] 222 00:09:33,779 --> 00:09:45,270 thank you 223 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:47,570 [Music]